Daily Devotional

Son, this is the key to your life. Come to Me when you are weary and have heavy burdens, and I will give you rest. Let Me teach you because I am humble and gentle at heart, and you will find rest for your soul. What I ask of you is easy to bear, and the burden I give you is light.  Remember that My name is the only hope of the world.

 

I am sending you as My messenger to prepare My children. Your words will either acquit you or condemn you. Those who hear the warnings should not congratulate themselves, thinking that they are safe to then follow the desires of their stubborn heart. This would lead to utter ruin! For My Kingdom is advancing, and there are violent people attacking it.

 

Blessed are My children who do not turn away from Me, and anyone who isn’t working with Me is actually working against Me. So listen to what people say and it will tell you what is their hearts. Some of My children will tell you that they are not accountable for all that I have revealed to them. What I ask of My children is not too difficult for them to understand, and it is not beyond their reach.

 

Some of My children will abandon Me. Therefore, today I give them a choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. They can choose to love and obey Me and firmly commit themselves to Me, or not. For they have minds that can understand, eyes that can see,and ears that can hear! Remember, wisdom is shown to be right by its results, just as certainly as foolishness is shown to be wrong by its results.

 

Can anyone in the land of forgetfulness talk about righteousness when they have all forgotten Me?

 

When My children begin to choose the world over Me this will open the way for the man of lawlessness to take control. He will succeed in everything because sinful rebellion will be at its height. He will be a master of intrigue, disguised to deceive the forgetful and those who regard My word as incompetent; useless and ineffective.  He will grow quickly in strength but not by his own power. In arrogance he cause a shocking amount of destruction and succeed in everything he does. He will destroy powerful leaders and devastate My children; destroying many without any warning. He will wage war against My children defeating them, until I break him by My power.

 

 

Are We Losing The West – Part 6 – CAN WE TRUST OUR OWN JUDGMENT?

Psalm 12:4 “those who say, “By our tongues we will prevail; our own lips will defend us—who is lord over us?”

 

Psalm 12:6 “And the words of the Lord are flawless, like silver purified in a crucible, like gold refined seven times.”

 

Proverbs 14:12 “There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death.”

 

Can we trust our own judgment? An unknown author said in regard to if we can trust our own judgment: “Only if our judgment has been shaped by a relationship with God.” He went on to say: “The way in this verse suggests a road apart from the wisdom of God. Our own sense of what is right and wrong, apart from God is not always reliable. That is why we have been given a guide that is perfectly reliable: God’s Word. From it we acquire wisdom to walk down the right path.”

 

When I look back over the 20th century I think of all of the “isms” that we had in the 20th century that has resulted in millions of deaths. For example and just to name a few:

 

Communism

Statism

Nazism

Socialism

Humanism

 

God has given us His Word in the Bible and how true it is what the Bible says about ‘words;’ that they have the power to carry death or life. This is so true today with those who want to change the definition of marriage. They have used words to do just that. They have come together to frame their arguments in such a way that people have believed them and are for changing this institution from God that has been here from the beginning of man. Endorsed by every major religion, we see “marriage” now includes man with man and woman with woman which the Bible calls depraved.

 

 

I have said many times that people who use words to make a living are the ones who are framing public opinion. In order to get their way they have had to get rid of the Word of God and which over the course of many years this we see that this is happened; a famine of God’s Word.  The Word of God is banned in our schools, in every public domain and in our government structure.

 

All we are left with are the words and thoughts of man which to them seem right but lead to death and destruction.  The question that comes to me is: What are we (the church) going to do about this? We read in Psalms 12:6: “The words of the Lord are flawless, like silver purified in a crucible, like gold refined seven times.”

 

One of the reasons why the supporters of “same sex marriage” have succeeded is that they are united in their cause and they have put all of their energy, time and resources to breaking through the barrier of the past that kept them outside society without any honor.

 

We, the Body of Christ, have been divided and consequently have not upheld the truth and done everything to win the lost. This brings me back to John 17 with the Lord’s Prayer; that we might be one as they (the God-Head) are one.

 

How do we bring this unity about?

 

First, we need to see and understand what Satan must do to bring people to doubt God’s Word. This is being achieved today when one looks at what is happening with the Word being kicked out of anything that has to do with the public. Even with our oath taking in court. It used to be with our hands placed on the Bible we stated: “…so help me God.” But, not anymore because God and His Word has become irrelevant. This is where the real battle is being fought today. It is not dealing with homosexuality, abortion or anything else. It is a battle over the Word of God and its relevance in our personal lives and society as a whole.

 

We are finding, like AW Tozer said: “We should note this curious mark of our own age: the only absolute allowed is the absolute insistence that there is no absolute.” In the weeklies to follow we will be looking at some of the ideas, philosophies, ideologies and the stronghold that they have built.

 

Secondly, we must see the danger of ‘accommodation.’ “Tozer went on to say: “Here is the great evangelical disaster – the failure of the evangelical world to stand for truth as truth. There is only one word for this – namely ACCOMMODATION. The evangelical church has accommodated to the world, spirit of the age. First, there has been accommodation on Scripture, so that many who call themselves evangelicals hold a weakened view of the Bible and no longer affirm the truth of all the Bible teaches….This accommodation has been costly, first in destroying the power of the Scriptures to confront the spirit of our age; secondly, in allowing the further slide of our culture.”

 

We must keep in mind that God’s Word will never pass away. When we look back in history, in the Old Testament days and since the time of Christ, we as God’s people have not looked upon God’s Word the way we should with fortitude and faithfulness in complete obedience to it.

 

A.W.Tozer said: “God’s Word has many times been allowed to be bent, to conform to the surrounding, passing, changing culture of that moment rather than to stand as the inerrant Word of God judging the form of the world spirit and the surrounding culture of that moment. Obedience to God’s Word is the watershed. And the failure of the evangelical world to take a biblical stand on the crucial issues of the day can only be seen as a failure to live life under the full authority of God’s Word.”

 

In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, may our children and grandchildren not say about us that we did not take a biblical stand on crucial issues; failing to live our lives under the authority of God’s Word.

 

Daily Devotional

Son, since you have declared that I am your Lord and God, and have said that you would do all that I commanded of you – be careful to do it wholeheartedly. When you made this promised to Me; that to walk in My ways and to obey all I command, I said, “I declare that you are Mine, My special treasure.”

 

So keep on asking, seeking and knocking, and doors will be opened for you. Do to others what you would like them to do to you. If you do these things then I will lift you up, and you will receive praise, and honor. You will be known as a man that is holy to Me, just as I promised.

 

Son, because you have made Me Lord of your life, don’t waste what is holy on people who are unholy. You can identify them by their actions. Never forget that they will attack you when you are exhausted and weary. But, soon they will know that heaven rules, and that people of the earth are nothing compared to Me. I do as I want and no one can stop Me. All My actions are just and true, and I am able to humble the proud. They will learn that I alone am The Lord; that I alone am The Most High; supreme Ruler over all the earth.

 

Lord, You sent Your angel to rescue me, and there is no other god who can rescue like You! What joy there is when my strength comes from You. When I walk through the Valley of Weeping, it will become a place of refreshing springs. It is my desire to continue to grow stronger in my knowledge of You. For, You have given me Your grace and said You would not withhold any good thing Me.

Are We Losing the West – Redemption – Part 5

Genesis 3:14-15 “So the Lord God said to the serpent, ‘Because you have done this, cursed are you above all the livestock and all the wild animals! You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life. And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.’”

 

Romans 3:21 “But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify.”

 

Every philosophy and worldview must have a solution to the problems that we face, or the mess that we are in. There must be an understanding of not only what the problem is, but also what the solution is.

 

In the biblical worldview we see that not only is God the Creator of our universe, but that He is also giving us the answer to why we are in such a mess. This is laid out by Paul in Ephesians 2 where he describes what the Ephesians were like before they came to Christ.

 

First, they were dead in the sense that they were incomplete, with something missing in their lives. This is why you find people who seem to have everything, yet they commit suicide. No amount of fame, wealth or success can compensate for a dead spirit.

 

Second, they were slaves led away by their own lusts and unable to break the chains that held them. Paul later on said that he was:  “….sold as a slave to sin. I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do — this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.” Romans 7:14-20

 

What is the biblical worldview solution? Two words: BUT GOD. Paul was showing us in Ephesians that there is nothing that can deliver us – no education, money, fame, success, etc. Paul was showing that from man there is absolutely no hope. However, we read:

 

“But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us. Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ (for by grace ye are saved).” Ephesians 2:4-5 KJV

 

“Not of works, lest any man should boast.  For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus.” Ephesians 2:9-10 KJV

 

What are some of the other worldview solutions?

 

Karl Marx, a German philospher, economist, sociologist, historian, journalist and revolutionary socialist. For him the ‘original sin’ was ‘private property,’ therefore it stands to reason that the solution is ‘destroying the private ownership of property.’ And, ‘redeemer,’ as he believed, is the proletariat, the urban factory workers, who should rise up in revolution against their capitalist oppressors.

 

Nancy Pearcy: Total Truth – Rousseau: Rousseau’s work of The Social Contract, states “Man is born free, and ever is in chains.”  In my later weekly letters we will know that for Rousseau oppressive relationships like marriage, family, church, and workplace was the problem. Redemption for Rousseau was the STATE. This is one of the reasons why the 20th century was one of the bloodiest ever because people adopted a worldview based on faulty ideas of creation, fall and redemption. Rousseau’s writings were centered around the individual.

 

Hannah Arendt points out in “The Origins of Totalitarianism,” that “disconnected, isolated individuals are actually the most vulnerable to totalitarian control because they have no competing identity or loyalties. That’s why one of the best ways to protect the rights of individuals is to protect the rights of groups such as: families, churches, schools, businesses, and voluntary associations. Contrary to Rousseau’s belief, that to protect moral, social, and kinship bonds actually protects individual freedom.”

 

Isn’t it interesting to see the spiritual battles being fought today over the family, the church, rule of law, etc.

 

Just to give one other example that is affecting us today in the West – is Margaret Sanger’s ‘Religion of Sex.’ She is the founder of Planned Parenthood, and like Nancy Pearcy describes Margaret Sanger: “She is a committed Darwinist, a champion of Social Darwinism and eugenics, which was very much in vogue in the early part of the twentieth century. Her goal was to construct a ‘scientific’ approach to sexuality based squarely on Darwinism.” 

 

For Margaret Sanger, the problem for the mess that we are in is “the rise of Christian morality” and the solution is to free our bodies through sexual liberation. We saw this coming to its fruition in the sixties when sexual revolution became a moral crusade and Christian morality was the enemy. This is what is leading us into pornography, abortion, birth and death control, homosexuality, etc.

 

So when we look at these different solutions we need to ask ourselves: what is real and what is false?

Daily Devotional

Son, I will bless you if you are careful to obey all that I have given you.

 

Give generously to the poor, not grudgingly, and I will bless you, and make you successful in all your work. Never twist truth or show partiality. Do not be dishonest, for this will make you unwise and corrupt. Live by My truth and you will prevail. You must always keep My word with you, and read it daily as long as you live. That way you will learn to fear Me and know what I demand from you. For the daily reading of My word will prevent you from becoming proud and acting as if you are above anyone. It will also prevent you from turning away from any of My commands in the smallest way.

 

So write this down, for it is trustworthy and true. “Time is up, it is finished, and only those whose names are written in My Book of Life, will be with Me for ever and ever. Soon I will wipe every tear from My children’s eyes, and there will be no more death, sorrow, crying or pain.”

 

Use your eyes and ears, and listen to everything I tell you, “When My children have no heart for Me, and have not surrendered themselves to Me, they will bear the consequences. My children must know the difference between what is holy and what is common. They must stop worshiping other gods and honoring their relics. For I require ABSOLUTE HOLINESS.”

 

Son, when the earth starts to quake and all people live in turmoil, remember these words of Mine. “Human defiance only enhances My glory, for I will use their defiance as a weapon against them. I am the One who holds the foundations firm, and I am bringing justice against the wicked.”

 

Son, I have put My words in your mouth, so tell everyone everything I have said.

Daily Devotional

 Lord, I have become old, and my hope is gone for my nation. Look at our proud leaders, especially in the state of California. They prosper despite their wickedness. They seem to live such protected lives; they seem so healthy and strong. They don’t have the kind of troubles Your children have. They wear pride like a jeweled necklace and clothe themselves with cruelty. These fat cats have everything their hearts desire, and they crave even more! They scoff at righteousness and speak only evil; in their pride to remain powerful they seek to crush those who pose a threat to them. They boast as if to say, “What does God know? Does He even know or care what’s happening?” Look at these wicked people- enjoying a life of ease while their riches multiply. So they think, “Let’s destroy everything that will remind us of the commitment and covenant that our forefathers made to God.” They will find ways to shut down all the places where You are worshiped and Your Word is preached.

 

Lord, look at how they have insulted You! They have rejected the warnings of Your prophets, for they do not want to be told about  the judgments coming. How long, O God, will you allow these people to insult You? Will you let them dishonor Your Name forever? Why do you hold back Your strong right hand? Unleash Your powerful fist and destroy them! Our nation has become a nation full of darkness and violence because You are dishonored!

 

Son, you must remain in My love and be careful to obey every command I give you. For I am coming as unexpectedly as a thief in the night, and you will be blessed if you are watching and ready for Me.

 

Son, when you think like this your heart is bitter, and it will tear you up inside. You need to understand the destiny of these wicked people; for I have put them on a slippery path that will take them quickly over the cliff to their destruction. In an instant they will be swept away and destroyed completely. I told them that if they choose this path, My anger will burn against them. Because of the  evil laws they’ve passed I will shut up the sky and hold back the rain so that the ground will fail to produce its bountiful harvests. It’s happening; do you not see it? But remember, that it will affect everyone!

 

Son, tell My children not to worship Me in the way these pagan peoples worship their lifeless gods. Do not fall into the trap of following their customs. Do not even inquire about their gods, for I have allowed you to know Me and there is nothing that compares to Me. Don’t flatter idol worshipers!

 

You must be careful to obey all the commands I give you. Do not add anything to My word or subtract anything from it. Commit to all of My Word, and be wholehearted to Me. Teach My word to your children, and tell them to talk about My word to their children at home, and when they are on the road, and before they go to bed and after they get up. Write My word on the walls of your homes and on your gates. When you obey My word you show your love for Me. Hold tightly to Me, and then no one will be able to come against you. They will fear you because I am with you.

 

Son, I have always given My children the choice between a blessing and a curse! They will be blessed if they obey My commands. But, they will be cursed if they reject My commands, and turn away from Me by worshiping other gods.

 

Lord, I belong to You and I am clinging to You. You guide me with Your perfect counsel, leading me to a glorious destiny. I desire You more than anything on earth. My health may fail, and my spirit may grow weak, but You remain the strength of my heart. Therefore, I will tell everyone about the wonderful things You do.

 

 

Daily Devotional

Lord, yesterday I heard that this generation, called “Millennialists,” feel that they are entitled. This thought followed me through the night and has been on my mind this morning. Why would anyone feel that they are entitled to anything?

 

Son, don’t think that I gave your forefathers this land because they were such good people. It was not because of their integrity, but that they recognized I am the One giving them this good land; they understood they were undeserving. I chose your forefathers and their descendants. What did I require of them for choosing them and their descendants? That they fear Me as their Lord and Savior, live in a way that pleases Me, by loving and serving Me with all their heart and soul.

 

How quickly this new generation has turned away from the way I commanded their forefathers to live! How quickly they have turned away from the good path I commanded them to follow! They are rebelling against Me, by refusing to obey Me and put their trust in Me. I have heard every contemptuous word and proud boast against Me by this generation. I have heard it all! Therefore, they will be deceived, and believe the lies of “the man of intrigue and deception” that is coming.

 

Son, I care about My children and I pay attention to them. I gave them a new heart so they would be responsive to Me. I took away their stony, stubborn heart and gave them a tender heart towards Me. I put My Spirit in them so that they will follow My word and be careful to obey Me. Remember that I did not do this because they deserved it.

 

My children must endure the coming persecution patiently and remain faithful by obeying My commands and maintaining their faith in Me. Write this down: “Blessed are those who die in Me from now on. Yes, they are blessed indeed, for they will rest from their hard work; for their good deeds follow them!”

 

Lord, You alone are my hope. I’ve trusted You from childhood. You have been with me from birth; from my mother’s womb You have cared for me. I will tell everyone about Your love and righteousness. Even though I am not skilled with words, and I am old and gray, I will proclaim Your saving power to this new generation; all Your mighty miracles You’ve done for me.

 

 

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Daily Devotional

Son, I have made you a watchman. Therefore, listen to what I say and warn the people for Me. Remind them that I take no pleasure in the death of wicked people. I only want them to turn from their wicked ways so they can live. So tell them this! Tell them to turn from their wickedness.

 

Son, you are a watchman; when you see the enemy coming you must sound the alarm to warn My people. If you don’t sound the alarm – I will hold you responsible. Whether they obey or not, you must keep sounding the alarm.

 

My children will come pretending to be sincere. They will listen to your words, but they have no intention of doing what you say. When all these terrible things start to happen – as they certainly will – then they will know that a prophet has been among them.

 

Son, I told your forefathers to beware that in their plenty not to forget Me and disobey My word.  I told them in the future when the people of America have become full and prosperous and have built fine homes to live in, and their silver and gold have multiplied along with everything else, to BE CAREFUL! Do not become proud and forget Me by saying, “We did all this by ourselves. We have achieved this wealth with our own strength and energy.” They must remember Me, that I am the one who gave them the power to be successful, in order to fulfill the covenant I made with your ancestors. So tell them, “I assure you of this: If you ever forget Me and follow other gods, worshiping and bowing down to them, you will certainly be destroyed. Just as I destroyed other nations; you also will be destroyed if you refuse to obey Me.”

 

Son, tell those lazy shepherds of My children, “What sorrow awaits you when you feed yourselves instead of My children. Your concern is for your own self, and you have let My children starve. You have not taken care of the weak. You have not tended the sick or bound up the injured. You have not gone looking for those who have wandered away and are lost. Instead, you have ruled them for your own purpose and advantage.”  I now consider these shepherds My enemies, and I will hold them responsible for what has happened to My children. I will take My children away from them, and I will rescue them.

 

Son, tell My children I will bless them, and I have broken their chains of slavery from those who have enslaved them. They are a holy people who belong to Me; they are My special treasure. So tell them not to be afraid, but remember that I am among them, and I am a great and awesome God. Therefore, they must not covet silver or gold, and do not bring any detestable thing into their homes.

 

Lord, You know how foolish I am; my sins cannot be hidden from You. Who am I that You would call me Your watchman. In Your unfailing love, help me to be faithful and not fearful.

 

Daily Devotional

While I was growing up the conversation around the rapture of the church always intrigued me. I was told there are many passages in the Bible that talk about the second coming of Christ and the rapture of the church. There are unique characteristics that distinguishes the rapture from the return. The rapture, Jesus will come by himself, with a loud shout of an Archangel, and we will meet Jesus in the air. I was also told that there are three views of the rapture, Pre-tribulation, Mid-tribulation, and Post-tribulation.

 

The two passages in the Bible that are commonly used to show the rapture of the church are 1 Corinthians 15:50-52 and 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18.

 

1 Thessalonians points:

The Lord Himself

Shout of the Archangel

Trumpet Call

We meet Him in the clouds

 

1 Corinthians points:

A wonderful secret or mystery

At the last trumpet sounding

 

Now I would like you to read Revelation chapter 10, because everything mentioned in Thessalonians and Corinthians is found here. It is my position that this is when the rapture of the church takes place, in Revelation chapter 10:7. 

 

Most people would say that I must be a Mid-tribber. No, I believe in Pre-tribulation because in Revelation there are “3 Woes.” The end of the first woe is mentioned in Revelation 9:12, the end of the second woe is mentioned in Revelation 11:14. The last woe is from Revelation 11:15 on.

 

It seems that each woe has a set time of duration. The last two woes seem to be mentioned in Daniel as the last week of years (7). So, what is the first woe? Read what takes place in Revelation chapters 6-9. It seems to be a time of great testing for His children.

 

I am not so bold as to say this is the way it will happen, but if it does, then His church better be ready. When I read other passages about the end times it says there will be a great falling away. Why? Could it be because of the great persecution most people will deny Him because, they think that to do so will stop their suffering?

 

Isn’t it interesting that after Revelation chapter 10 God sends His two witnesses to the earth? God will never leave this earth without a witness for Him. I believe the two witnesses come to replace the “raptured” church. 

 

The next question I get from Christians, is why would God allow His church to go through this time when 1/2 of the worlds population is killed. If you read in Exodus, the children of Israel went through the first three plagues that God gave to Egypt, and then it says in Exodus 8:22 that He made a distinction.

 

Why does God allow any of His children to suffer? I believe it is to show us that He is much much greater than any suffering or hardship we can face. The first century Christians understood this perfectly.

 

Has the church bought into the lie that God will not allow His church to suffer intense persecution and hardship? It is my belief the church will go through the things mentioned in Revelation 6-9. All will suffer and many will be martyred. Therefore, watch and pray; know the times that we are living in and be prepared for what is coming.

Are We Losing the West – Part 4 – The Fall

Genesis 3:1-7 “Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, ‘Did God really say, “You must not eat from any tree in the garden?”’ The woman said to the serpent, ‘We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden,’ but God did say, “You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.”’ ‘You will not surely die,’ the serpent said to the woman. ‘For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.’ When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.”

 

In this passage we see several things. First, we see the Fall that took place and why this world is in the mess that it is in. Secondly, we also see the battle lines that are being drawn that we are faced with today.

 

We see this type of human reasoning coming out in the Garden of Eden with Satan’s philosophy called “DiaPrax.” This philosophy comes from two Latin words dia: to dialogue to reach agreement and prax: to practice.

 

There are three parts to this philosophy:

 

1. Thesis: what God says

2. Anti-thesis: human reasoning

3. Synthesis: result, which one of these two do we choose?

 

This to me is where the real battle is being fought today, especially here in the West. Our battle is not over homosexuality, abortion, humanism, postmodernism, socialism, etc., but whether we choose to go with God’s revelation or man’s reasoning.

 

Jean-Jacques Rousseau’s philosophy, we will look at in later weeklies, probably did more damage to what we faced in the 20th century than any other set of ideas.  If we examine his philosophy of the FALL, or why we are in the mess that we are in, he would say that the source of oppression and suffering (the Fall) is the society or civilization itself. His philosophy was to revolt and with revolution overthrow the entire social order and build a new one from scratch and create the “THE NEW MAN!” This is what led to some of the ‘isms’ today where millions were killed including the bloody French Revolution which France today is still recovering from.

 

His philosophy was that we are autonomous beings with no social contract including families. In his opinion, the reason we are in the mess we are in is because of oppressive relationships not of our choice. So all moral bonds of families, spiritual bonds of church and even genetic bonds of clan and race are the reasons why we are in such a mess. So the only bond for Rousseau is where the people choose for themselves the bonds they want, or do not want.

 

This is why we have the values we have today:  Our values used to be: SACRIFICE, LOYALTY, MORALITY, ACCOUNTABILITY,  but they have changed to INDEPENDENCE, PERSONAL HAPPINESS, TOLERANCE, COMFORT, INSTANT GRATIFICATION, RIGHT TO MAKE ONE’S CHOICES. We see in our society today the result of the choices.

 

So when we compare Rousseau’s worldview of the FALL with the biblical worldview of man through his own human reasoning choosing to go his own way – we need to ask ourselves which one is right and which one is wrong?